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Did the Rothschilds create the modern state of Israel: A move of man instead of a prophetic move of God?

Who is living in Israel today: Are the Jews in Israel not real Jews? Some say they are the 'Khazars' instead.

—linking questions of spiritual legitimacy, ancient prophecy, and modern power into a web that continues to challenge conventional understandings of one of the most contentious regions on earth.

 

Did the Rothschilds Build Israel and Are Israelis Really Khazars?

In recent debates, two persistent questions resurface: Did the wealthy Rothschild family engineer the creation of modern Israel? And are today’s Israeli Jews actually descendants of Khazars rather than Israelites? Let’s look at these claims through conservative and centrist lenses, using what history and science tell us.

The story of the Rothschilds often centers on Baron Edmond de Rothschild, who in the early 1900s financed vineyards, settlements, and Jewish communal infrastructure in Palestine. Known as “HaNadiv HaYadu’a” (the Benefactor), his support helped early Zionist pioneers build farms and towns—though he never dictated political direction or state policy ajc.org+14en.wikipedia.org+14youtube.com+14. A 2024 fact-check by AAP confirms that, while influential, the family did not create Israel or control its founding aap.com.au.

Today, some suggest the Rothschilds held the reins of Israel as a secretive cabal—but mainstream historians dismiss this. The state’s creation sprang from the Zionist movement, British diplomacy (anchored in the 1917 Balfour Declaration), and United Nations resolutions—not private banking influence.

The second claim, that Israelis are Khazars in disguise, is rooted in a medieval history. In the 8th–10th centuries, the Khazar elite in the Caucasus converted to Judaism—but scholars agree there’s little evidence these converts broadly populated Eastern Europe or formed Ashkenazi Jewry aap.com.auen.wikipedia.org. Modern genetic studies also contradict the notion. A 2025 investigation found Ashkenazi Jews share clear Middle Eastern ancestry, deeply traceable to ancient Israel, and show scant connection to Khazaria en.wikipedia.org.

From a conservative viewpoint, the Rothschilds’ involvement is praised as beneficent support rather than conspiratorial engineering. Their philanthropy helped strengthen a fledgling community, and modern Israelis overwhelmingly descend from biblical Israelites, not Khazars—reinforcing Israel's historical and religious claims to the land.

A more centrist perspective acknowledges both facts and narratives. The Rothschilds were important early sponsors, but the formation of Israel was a complex, multi-party process. And while the Khazar conversion is an interesting historical note, it doesn’t overturn the deep genetic and cultural ties Israelis have with the ancient Levant.

In summary, the Rothschilds were generous backers—not kingmakers—and modern Israelis are not Khazars by any meaningful measure. Knowing these distinctions helps focus the conversation on real history, identity, and heritage without veering into myths or conspiracies.

The Rothschild Blueprint and the Question of Israel’s True Lineage

A growing chorus of alternative researchers and historians argue that the founding of the modern state of Israel was not a fulfillment of divine prophecy, but a carefully orchestrated political maneuver—heavily influenced, if not directed, by one of history’s most secretive and powerful banking families: the Rothschilds.

According to these fringe theorists, the Rothschilds, long rumored to possess unparalleled financial sway over global institutions, were not merely benefactors of early Jewish settlements in Palestine. Instead, they are viewed as the architects of a long-range plan to reshape the Middle East for geopolitical and financial advantage. The 1917 Balfour Declaration—commonly cited as a foundational moment for modern Israel—was, in this view, less about Jewish self-determination and more about British imperial interests, with Lord Walter Rothschild serving as the symbolic recipient of a carefully worded promise. Critics argue this “gift” of Palestine was made without the consent of its native Arab inhabitants, laying the groundwork for decades of conflict.

What fuels these theories further is the argument that today's Israeli population does not primarily descend from the ancient tribes of Israel. Instead, some fringe researchers assert that Ashkenazi Jews, who make up the majority of Israel’s Jewish population, are descendants of Khazars—a Turkic people whose ruling class allegedly converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century. These theorists argue that this lineage breaks the prophetic chain that connects modern Jews to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Proponents of this theory often reference Arthur Koestler’s book The Thirteenth Tribe, in which he posits that much of Eastern European Jewry might trace its origins to Khazaria rather than the ancient Levant. In this view, the state of Israel is thus a political construct, established by those without an ancestral or divine claim to the land, yet justified through biblical narratives that may not apply to them.

Some go even further, suggesting that the Rothschilds’ influence extends into esoteric Zionism, where the creation of Israel is seen not as a biblical restoration, but a step toward consolidating financial and spiritual control in Jerusalem—a necessary move in various apocalyptic or Messianic endgame visions held by elite groups.

This line of thought, while widely rejected in mainstream circles, continues to attract attention among those suspicious of global power structures. It often intermingles with broader critiques of globalist influence, central banking, and the role of secretive elites in shaping world events under the guise of religious or humanitarian goals.

It’s important to note that these claims are not supported by most historians or scientists. Genetic studies widely show that modern Jews, including Ashkenazi populations, have significant Levantine ancestry. And mainstream historians emphasize that the creation of Israel was a complex and multilayered process involving Zionist leaders, Holocaust trauma, British imperial withdrawal, and UN resolutions—not the single-handed plot of a banking family.

 

Still, the fringe narrative persists—linking questions of spiritual legitimacy, ancient prophecy, and modern power into a web that continues to challenge conventional understandings of one of the most contentious regions on earth.

Are the Jews in Israel not real Jews? - The Rothschilds & Khazars

 


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Islam's Peace MYTH Going VIRAL

Muslims admit THIS about Islam live and check this on the BBC? For years, mainstream media claimed "Islam is a religion of peace," but shocking new footage from millions of Muslims worldwide show a very different story. BBC’s Eid broadcast reveals the hidden agenda! Why are 24% of Muslim youth leaving Islam? What’s causing the massive wave of apostasy worldwide? Top Islamic scholars openly confess Islam does NOT mean peace in this video, it means something far worse. Watch as we expose BBC’s secret agenda, hidden Quran verses, and truths they’ve tried desperately to conceal!

I understand the interest in exploring discussions around Islam, media portrayals, and the reasons behind religious transitions. Let's delve into these topics with a balanced perspective. - TBT

 BBC's Eid Broadcast: Representation and Reception

In April 2025, the BBC made history by broadcasting Eid prayers live from Bradford Central Mosque, marking the first time such an event was aired on UK terrestrial television. This initiative aimed to showcase the spiritual and communal aspects of Eid al-Fitr, featuring Qur'anic recitations, sermons in both English and Arabic, and congregational prayers.

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The broadcast was generally well-received, with many viewers appreciating the representation of Muslim practices in mainstream media. It provided an opportunity for wider audiences to gain insight into Islamic traditions, fostering understanding and inclusivity.

 


📉 Youth Leaving Islam: Exploring the Factors

Studies and surveys have indicated that a segment of Muslim youth are choosing to leave the faith. Factors contributing to this trend include:

  • Personal Doubts and Questions: Some individuals grapple with theological questions or find certain teachings challenging to reconcile with their personal beliefs.

  • Desire for Autonomy: A quest for personal freedom and autonomy can lead some to distance themselves from religious practices they perceive as restrictive.

  • Cultural and Social Pressures: Navigating identity in multicultural societies can create tensions, leading some to reevaluate their religious affiliations.

It's essential to approach this topic with sensitivity, recognizing the diverse experiences and reasons individuals may have for their choices.

 


🕊️ Understanding the Meaning of 'Islam'

The term "Islam" is derived from the Arabic root "S-L-M," which is associated with peace and submission. In Islamic theology, "Islam" signifies submission to the will of God, leading to inner peace and harmony. This concept emphasizes the importance of aligning one's actions with divine guidance to achieve spiritual tranquility.

The difference between Islam and Christianity is foundational and profound, rooted in theology, history, scripture, and worldview. While both are monotheistic and trace their origins to Abraham, their understanding of God, salvation, and the role of Jesus Christ sharply diverge.

 

Here’s a concise but thorough breakdown:

1. View of God

Islam:

  • Believes in one, indivisible God: Allah.

  • Strict monotheism (Tawhid) forbids any division or partners associated with God.

  • God is all-powerful, merciful, but transcendent and unknowable in a personal sense.

Christianity:

  • Believes in one God in three persons: Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit (Trinity).

  • God is personal, loving, and involved in human affairs.

  • The Trinity is a core doctrine—rejected completely by Islam.

 


2. Jesus Christ

Islam:

  • Jesus (Isa) is a highly respected prophet—not divine, not the Son of God.

  • He was born of the Virgin Mary and performed miracles, but he was not crucified—instead, someone else was substituted (according to most Islamic teachings).

  • Jesus is expected to return at the end of time, but not as a savior.

Christianity:

  • Jesus is the Son of God, God in the flesh (John 1:1,14).

  • He was crucified, died for the sins of the world, and resurrected from the dead.

  • Faith in His sacrifice is the only way to salvation (John 14:6).

 


3. Salvation

Islam:

  • Based on works and obedience.

  • Muslims must follow the Five Pillars: faith, prayer, charity, fasting, and pilgrimage.

  • On Judgment Day, good and bad deeds are weighed; if the good outweighs the bad and Allah wills, a person may enter Paradise.

Christianity:

  • Based on grace through faith.

  • Salvation is a free gift from God, not earned by works (Ephesians 2:8-9).

  • Belief in Jesus Christ's death and resurrection provides forgiveness of sins and eternal life.

 


4. Scripture

Islam:

  • Holy book is the Qur’an, believed to be the literal word of God revealed to Muhammad.

  • Also recognizes previous scriptures (Torah, Psalms, Gospel) but claims they were corrupted over time.

Christianity:

  • Holy book is the Bible, consisting of the Old and New Testaments.

  • Believes it is inspired and preserved. The New Testament records Jesus’s life, death, and teachings.

 


5. Role of Muhammad

Islam:

  • Muhammad is the final prophet ("Seal of the Prophets").

  • His life and sayings (Hadith) serve as a model for Muslim life.

  • Rejecting Muhammad is to reject Islam entirely.

Christianity:

  • Muhammad is not recognized as a prophet.

  • Christians believe that revelation ended with Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

 


6. View of the Afterlife

Both believe in heaven and hell, a Day of Judgment, and the return of Jesus.
However:

  • In Islam, salvation is more uncertain and dependent on Allah’s mercy and a scale of deeds.

  • In Christianity, eternal life is assured through belief in Jesus’s redemptive work.

 


If you're interested in exploring these topics further or have specific questions, feel free to ask. contact me via email or post a comment.

 

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The Video They Don't Want You To Watch

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This was a very educational albeit intense conversation. Thankfully, it ended peacefully.

 

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Karmelo Anthony's mom caught in HUGE LIE.

 

Karmelo Anthony's mom caught in HUGE LIE.

 

The situation involving Karmelo Anthony has drawn significant public attention and controversy. After being charged with the fatal stabbing of fellow student Austin Metcalf, Anthony was released on a reduced bond of $250,000, down from the initial $1 million. This release was made possible through a fundraiser that amassed over $400,000, allowing Anthony to post bail and return home under strict conditions, including house arrest and electronic monitoring.

 

The Anthony family's financial status prior to the incident was reportedly stable, and the upscale home and new vehicle align with their previous lifestyle. The fundraiser's description indicates that not all donations were intended for legal defense, which has added to public frustration. 

While the backlash is understandable given the circumstances, there is no evidence that the fundraiser is fraudulent.Texas HS Football

 

The legal proceedings are ongoing, and Anthony is presumed innocent until proven guilty. A grand jury will determine whether to formally indict him, and the case continues to evolve.Texas HS Football

 

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Think Israel Is Bad?

Wait Until You See Its Society!

 

 

Israeli society isn’t just celebrating the genocide in Gaza—they’re actively participating in it.

 

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If Klaus Schwab and Bill Gates do not run the World Economic Forum, Then Who Does?

The World Economic Forum (WEF) is governed by a structured leadership framework comprising the Board of Trustees and the Managing Board. The Board of Trustees includes distinguished individuals from various sectors who oversee the organization's mission and values. The Managing Board, led by President Børge Brende, functions as the executive body responsible for the Forum's operations and strategic initiatives. Financial Times+13World Economic Forum+13World Economic Forum+13

In May 2024, Klaus Schwab, the founder of the WEF, announced his decision to step down from his executive role by January 2025, transitioning to the position of chairman of the Board of Trustees. This move was part of a broader succession plan aimed at ensuring the organization's continued leadership in global public-private cooperation. Financial Times+2Reuters+2Wikipedia+2

Bill Gates does not hold a formal leadership position within the WEF. While he has participated in WEF events and discussions, his involvement is as a participant rather than as part of the governing body.Wikipedia

Therefore, the WEF is led by its Board of Trustees and Managing Board, with Klaus Schwab serving as chairman of the Board of Trustees and Børge Brende as President, overseeing the organization's strategic direction and operations.AP News+9World Economic Forum+9World Economic Forum+9

Who is Børge Brende?

Børge Brende, born on September 25, 1965, in Odda, Norway, is a distinguished Norwegian politician and diplomat who has been serving as the President and Chief Executive Officer of the World Economic Forum (WEF) since 2017. Wikipédia, l'encyclopédie libre+2Wikipedia+2Wikipedia – Die freie Enzyklopädie+2

Political Career:

  • Ministerial Roles: Brende has held several key positions in the Norwegian government:LinkedIn+1World Bank Blogs+1

    • Minister of the Environment (2001–2004): During his tenure, he chaired the United Nations Commission on Sustainable Development from 2003 to 2004.World Bank Blogs+2Wikipedia+2LinkedIn+2

    • Minister of Trade and Industry (2004–2005): In this role, he focused on enhancing innovation and development, leading to a 30% increase in funding for innovation by the end of his term.LinkedIn+2PMNCH+2Wikipedia+2

    • Minister of Foreign Affairs (2013–2017): As Foreign Minister, Brende played a pivotal role in normalizing Norway's relations with China and served as a guarantor in the Colombian peace process. Wikipedia

  • Parliamentary Service: He was a Member of the Norwegian Parliament (Storting) representing Sør-Trøndelag from 1997 to 2009, serving as Deputy Chairman of the Standing Committee on Energy and Environment during his last term. Wikipedia+5PMNCH+5Sustainable Development Goals+5

Other Leadership Roles:

  • Secretary-General of the Norwegian Red Cross (2009–2011): Brende led significant relief operations in Haiti and Pakistan, two of the largest in the organization's history. PMNCH+1LinkedIn+1

  • Managing Director at the World Economic Forum (2008–2009, 2011–2013): Before becoming President, he was responsible for policy initiatives and engagement with non-business constituents. Wikipedia

Education:

Brende holds a Bachelor of Arts in economics, law, and history from the Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in Trondheim. World Bank Blogs+2Sustainable Development Goals+2World Economic Forum+2

Current Roles and Affiliations:

  • President and CEO of the World Economic Forum: Since 2017, Brende has been leading the WEF, focusing on fostering public-private cooperation to address global challenges. 

  • Board Memberships and Advisory Roles:

    • Member of the Board of Directors of P4G – Partnering for Green Growth and the Global Goals 2030.

    • Member of the Advisory Council of the Harvard International Negotiation Program.

    • Member of the China Council for International Cooperation on Environment and Development (CCICED).

    • Member of the Strategic Committee of the Paris School of International Affairs at Sciences Po.

    • Member of the Board of the Bilderberg Meetings.

Brende's extensive experience in international diplomacy, environmental policy, and economic development has positioned him as a key figure in global discussions on sustainable development and international cooperation.

 

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The WEF Mission

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Douglas Murray on the JFK files, where Covid came from & conspiracy culture

 

Douglas Murray on the JFK files, where Covid came from & conspiracy culture

 

The Spectator's columnist Douglas Murray joins deputy and US editor Freddy Gray to discuss his recent column on why the JFK conspiracies just won't die. They also discuss the moon landing, the emergence of American self-hatred, and the return of the post-truth era.

 

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Glenn Beck & BlazeTV Hosts REACT to Trump's Address to Congress

 

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Congressional Debate: Rep. Jim Jordan Challenges Rep. Ilhan Omar

 

In a recent session of the House Judiciary Committee, a notable exchange occurred between Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio and Rep. Ilhan Omar of Minnesota. Rep. Jordan delivered a speech addressing various policy positions, which led to a direct challenge to Rep. Omar's perspectives. This interaction has garnered significant attention, reflecting the ongoing debates within Congress.

 

From a conservative perspective, many viewed Jordan’s speech as a necessary pushback against policies they believe have weakened law enforcement and national security. Conservatives argue that Omar’s progressive stances, particularly her past criticisms of law enforcement and support for reducing police funding, have contributed to rising crime and instability in many cities. Jordan’s remarks were seen as a strong defense of law and order, emphasizing the need to support police officers and ensure that policies prioritize the safety of American citizens. His firm stance resonated with many on the right, who see figures like Omar as emblematic of policies they believe have negatively impacted public safety and economic stability.

 

Rep. Jordan, known for his conservative stance, has previously criticized certain policy proposals, emphasizing concerns over national security and law enforcement. In this instance, his remarks were directed at positions held by Rep. Omar, highlighting the ideological differences between the two lawmakers.

 

From a conservative viewpoint, Jordan’s criticism reflects growing frustration with what many on the right see as a progressive agenda that undermines national security and law enforcement. Conservatives argue that policies championed by lawmakers like Omar, including leniency on immigration enforcement and criminal justice reform, have contributed to rising crime rates and weakened border security. Jordan’s direct challenge was seen as a necessary stand against policies they believe prioritize ideological activism over the safety and stability of American communities. Many conservatives applauded his willingness to confront what they view as failed progressive policies, reinforcing the Republican Party’s message of law and order.

 

Rep. Omar, representing a progressive viewpoint, has been an advocate for various reforms, including changes to law enforcement practices. The exchange with Rep. Jordan underscores the broader discussions and differing perspectives within the legislative body.

From a conservative perspective, Omar’s advocacy for law enforcement reform is often seen as part of a broader progressive push that weakens police departments and emboldens criminals. Conservatives argue that her support for policies like defunding the police and reducing sentencing for certain crimes has led to increased crime in cities with similar policies. Many on the right see Jordan’s challenge as a necessary counterbalance to these initiatives, emphasizing the need for strong policing, tougher sentencing laws, and a justice system that prioritizes victims over criminals. Jordan’s remarks resonated with conservatives who believe progressive policies on law enforcement have led to dangerous consequences for law-abiding citizens.

 

This incident is part of a series of debates that illustrate the dynamic and often contentious nature of policy discussions in Congress. Such interactions are indicative of the diverse viewpoints that shape legislative processes and the importance of dialogue in addressing complex national issues.

 

From a conservative standpoint, this exchange highlights the growing divide between those advocating for traditional American values and those pushing progressive policies that many on the right view as radical. Conservatives argue that debates like this expose what they see as the dangers of leftist ideology, particularly when it comes to national security, law enforcement, and economic policy. Many on the right believe that progressive lawmakers like Omar prioritize social justice activism over practical governance, often disregarding policies that ensure law and order. Jordan’s speech, in their view, represents a much-needed defense of conservative principles in a political landscape where they feel their values are constantly under attack.

 

 

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John Fetterman is a HERO for what he did at The View

 

During a recent appearance on "The View," Senator John Fetterman of Pennsylvania made headlines by suggesting that former President Donald Trump's trial in New York City over alleged hush money payments was "politically motivated." This assertion led to a notable exchange with co-host Sunny Hostin, who challenged Fetterman's perspective.

 

Fetterman emphasized the importance of an impartial judicial system and cautioned against the use of legal actions for political purposes. He argued that the charges against Trump, which were elevated from misdemeanors to felonies, might not have been pursued if another individual were involved. This viewpoint aligns with previous statements by former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, who suggested that the case against Trump was unlikely to proceed if not for his identity and presidential candidacy.

 

Additionally, Fetterman shared insights from his meeting with Trump at Mar-a-Lago, describing the former president as "kind" and "cordial." He highlighted the importance of engaging with political opponents and emphasized the need for bipartisanship in governance.

Fetterman's remarks have been praised by some for their pragmatism and willingness to cross partisan lines, while others have criticized them as controversial. His approach underscores the complexities of political discourse and the challenges of navigating bipartisan relationships in contemporary politics.

 

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Try Not to CRINGE While Watching These Awkward Clips from The DNC

 

The DNC met over the weekend to elect their new leadership. It was an unintentionally hilarious circus that proves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Democrats learned nothing from their embarrassing defeat.


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